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T-2652-85
Roy Anthony Roberts, C. Aubrey Roberts and John Henderson, suing on their own behalf and on behalf of all other members of the Wewayakum Indian Band (also known as the Campbell River Indian Band) (Plaintiffs)
v.
Her Majesty the Queen and Ralph Dick, Daniel Billy, Elmer Dick, Stephen Assu, and James D. Wilson sued on their own behalf and on behalf of all other members of the Wewayakai Indian Band (also known as the Cape Mudge Indian Band) (Defendants)
INDEXED AS: WEWAYAKUM INDIAN BAND V. WEWAYAKAI INDIAN BAND (T.D.)
Trial Division, Addy D.J.—Vancouver, January 22; Ottawa, March 6, 1991.
Native peoples — Lands — Plaintiffs suing on own behalf and on behalf of past, present and future Band members — Action turning on which of two bands entitled to possession of reserve — Motion to strike paragraph in statement of defence denying representative authority of individual plaintiffs — Indian bands having special status, apart from Indian Act, to institute, prosecute and defend action derived from existence as separate society — Plaintiffs suing in band's name must establish authority to sue in Band's name through traditions, customs and government of band.
Practice — Discovery — Examination for discovery — Action between Indian bands over possession of reserve — Interrogatories based on Rules prior to 1990 amendment not more restrictive than oral examinations for discovery — Trend towards broadening fair and full disclosure — Past events fully discoverable, if simple facts — Opinion or conclusion drawn from special knowledge or analysis of facts not subject- matter of discoveries — Interrogatories must be answered by party — Improper to hire non-Band member historian to answer interrogatories — As party may be prevented from adopting contradictory position in same action, plaintiffs ordered to provide details on matters beyond living memory similar to questions they asked of defendants — Time and expenditure in answering balanced against amount of money or importance of non-monetary issues, usefulness answer might have in determining basic issues — As aboriginal title
essential to disposition of case, questions about extent of occupation of Reserve proper.
Practice — Parties — Standing — As deceased and unborn persons unable to sue or be sued, cannot be part of class action — Reference to past or future members of Indian Band in pleadings and as parties in style of cause improper — Indian bands having special status, apart from Indian Act, to sue and be sued — Individual plaintiffs establish authorization — Not class action.
These were pre-trial motions (1) by the plaintiffs, under Rule 419, to strike out the paragraph of the amended statement of defence denying the authority of the individual plaintiffs to represent all other, including past, present and future, members of the plaintiff Band, and (2) by the defendants to compel the plaintiff Band to answer several questions in interrogatories. The plaintiffs were suing on their own behalf and on behalf of all past, present and future members of the Band for right of possession and enjoyment of a Reserve.
(1) The plaintiffs argued that the impugned paragraph did not disclose a valid ground of defence because the Chief and Council members have a legal right to bring a class action in the name of the Band members, and as such the question of authorization was irrelevant as any member of the class who objects may request to be added as party defendant.
(2) The plaintiffs objected that questions pertaining to the Band's occupation of the Reserve were irrelevant as the Band relied upon the McKenna McBride Commission of 1912 report and on Orders in Council of the province of British Columbia and of Canada. They submitted that questions of an historical nature were not the proper subject-matter of discovery, and could only be answered through expert evidence filed and subsequently provided at trial. Finally, they argued that only an expert historian was legally capable of testifying as to facts which are beyond living memory.
The issues were whether authorization must exist for a chief and councillors to sue in the band's name, and the propriety of questions relating to, inter alia, aboriginal title.
Held, plaintiffs' motion should be dismissed; defendants' motion should be allowed in part.
A deceased or an unborn person cannot sue or be sued because he does not exist and neither may be part of a class of plaintiffs. The statement of claim and amended statement of defence were amended ex proprio motu by deleting any refer-
ence to the institution of the action on behalf of past or future members of the plaintiff Band. The practice of referring to past and future members of an Indian Band as parties in the style of cause is improper and should be terminated.
(1) There was no evidence that the impugned paragraph of the amended statement of defence was scandalous, frivolous or vexatious or that it could prejudice or delay a fair trial or otherwise constituted an abuse of process under Rule 419(1)(c), (d), or (J). As to whether it constituted a valid defence under Rule 419(1)(a), Indian bands do possess a special status enabling them to institute, prosecute and defend a court action. Those claiming to sue in the name of a Band must be prepared to establish their authority to do so. Such authorization is not subject to any special rules, laws or proce dures other than those prescribed by the traditions, customs and government of the band. This special legal status is not dependent upon the Indian Act but is derived from their existence as a separate society and from common fundamental and special tribal customs, laws, privileges, rights and obliga tions akin to those incumbent upon the citizens of a state. Indian bands can be sued and become the subject of legal pronouncement. The rights of Indian bands, tribes or nations to enter into treaties and contracts and to acquire certain rights and renounce others have been recognized since the Indians' first contact with Europeans. Indians themselves have recog nized these powers as existing in Chiefs and Councils. If bands were allowed to sue by ordinary class actions, without the requirement of proper authorization of the band, claims which might be denied could be subject to revival and chaos would result. Common sense dictates that Indian bands should possess the same rights to sue as corporations and be subject to resulting obligations.
(2) The plaintiff Band cannot object to interrogatories con cerning the extent of its occupation of the disputed Reserve. The Federal Court of Appeal has held that the issue of aboriginal title was essential to the disposition of this case. Upon appeal, the Supreme Court of Canada did not disagree, but indicated that the Indian Act was also relevant. Aboriginal title is a legal right derived from the Indians' historic occupa tion and possession of their lands, which can be continued either through the original nation or tribe or through a succes sor to the group which first occupied the lands and established aboriginal title. The statement of claim alleges that the Indians at Campbell River were the ancestors of the present Band members and that plaintiff band has, before and since 1888, occupied and enjoyed the use and benefit of Reserve No. 11, but since 1888, has been wrongfully denied occupation, use and benefit of Reserve No. 12.
Interrogatories are not more restrictive than oral examina tions for discovery, based on Federal Court Rules 466.1(1) and 465(15) prior to their amendment in 1990. There is neither practical nor logical reason why an interrogatory should be more restrictive. The questioner is already handicapped because
he does not know what the answer to the previous questions will be before inserting subsequent questions in the interrogatory, and the person answering has ample time to consider the question and consult, if necessary, before answering. Although there are differences between jurisdictions as to the subject- matter of discovery before trial, there has been a general extension of the rules of practice so that the prevailing trend favours broadening fair and full disclosure to enable the party to advance his own case or to damage the case of his adversary.
Past events, in so far as they constitute simple or basic facts, are fully discoverable. To exclude documents or statements containing reference to facts beyond living memory from dis covery would be unfair to Indians who relied on oral traditions long after other cultures began recording in writing their history. The expression of a simple self-evident conclusion which would be reached as a matter of course by any ordinary person may form the subject-matter of a question on discovery but an opinion resulting from an analysis of certain specified facts, which requires special expertise or knowledge would not.
Interrogatories are required to be answered by a party to the action. The hiring of an historian who was neither a member of the plaintiff Band, nor exercising authority within it, to answer the interrogatories was improper. It contravened the Federal Court Rules on the discovery process and the generally accept ed practice adopted by common law courts for the examination of parties. If only experts were allowed to answer questions referring to historical facts, pre-trial discovery would be pre cluded and a claim based on aboriginal title or matters beyond living memory would be limited to production of documents.
In deciding which questions should be answered, the fact that many of the questions to which the plaintiffs have objected were almost identical to ones which they had asked the defend ants and which they were seeking to compel the defendants to answer, had to be taken into account. A party may be prevent ed from adopting a completely contradictory position in the same action. Hence, some questions which would otherwise have been disallowed were allowed because the same details beyond living memory were requested by the plaintiffs. The probable amount of time, effort, research, work and expendi ture involved in answering was weighed against the amount of money or the importance of non-monetary issues involved, degree of relevance, and probable importance, value or useful ness which the answer might have in determining the basic issues of the litigation. Where a question is relevant and not otherwise objectionable, the party refusing to answer must furnish some evidence to explain the difficulties and to establish what reasonable, though unsuccessful, efforts were made to obtain an answer. Questions involving conclusions of law as
well as opinion evidence are not properly the subject-matter of the party and party discovery process.
STATUTES AND REGULATIONS JUDICIALLY CONSIDERED
Federal Court Rules, C.R.C., c. 663, RR. 419, 466.1(1), (5),(8), 465(15), 466.2 (as enacted by SOR/90-846, s. 16).
Indian Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. I-5.
CASES JUDICIALLY CONSIDERED
NOT FOLLOWED:
Kennedy v. Dodson, [1895] 1 Ch. 334 (C.A.).
CONSIDERED:
Roberts v. Canada, [1989] 1 S.C.R. 322; [1989] 3 W.W.R. 117; (1989), 35 B.C.L.R. (2d) 1; 25 F.T.R. 161; 92 N.R. 241; affg Roberts v. Canada, [1987] 2 F.C. 535; (1987), 36 D.L.R. (4th) 552; [1987] 2 C.N.L.R. 145; 73 N.R. 234; Martin v. B.C. (Govt.) (1986), 3 B.C.L.R. (2d) 60; [1986] 3 C.N.L.R. 84 (S.C.); Calder et al. v. Attor- ney-General of British Columbia, [1973] S.C.R. 313; (1973), 34 D.L.R. (3d) 145; [1973] 4 W.W.R. 1; Read ing & Bates Construction Co. v. Baker Energy Resources Co., Baker Marine Co. and Gaz Inter- Cité Quebec Inc. (1988), 25 F.T.R. 226 (F.C.T.D.); Boxer v. Reesor (1983), 43 B.C.L.R. 352; 35 C.P.C. 68 (S.C.); Everest & Jennings Canadian Ltd. v. Invacare Corporation, [1984] 1 F.C. 856; (1984), 79 C.P.R. (2d) 138; 55 N.R. 73 (C.A.).
REFERRED TO:
Delgamuukw et al. v. The Queen, Smithers Registry, No. 0843, B.C.S.C., judgment dated 5 / 8 /87, not reported; Oregon Jack Creek Indian Band v. Canadian National Railway Co., sub nom. Pasco et al. v. Canadian National Railway Co. et al. (1989), 56 D.L.R. (4th) 404; 34 B.C.L.R. (2d) 344 (B.C.C.A.); Uukw v. B.C. (Govt.) (1986), 7 B.C.L.R. (2d) 325 (S.C.); Enquist v. Hass (1979), 15 B.C.L.R. 139; 10 R.P.R. 23 (S.C.); British Columbia Lightweight Aggregates Ltd. v. Canada Cement LaFarge Ltd. et al. (1977), 80 D.L.R. (3d) 365; 4 B.C.L.R. 259 (B.C.C.A.).
COUNSEL:
Lewis F. Harvey and Maria A. Morellato for plaintiffs.
John D. McAlpine, Q.C. and C. Allan Dono- van for defendants Ralph Dick, Daniel Billy, Elmer Dick, Stephen Assu, and James D. Wilson sued on their own behalf and on behalf of all other members of the Wewaya-
kai Indian Band (also known as the Cape Mudge Indian Band).
SOLICITORS:
Davis and Company, Vancouver and Blake, Cassels & Graydon, Vancouver, for plaintiffs.
McAlpine & Hordo, Vancouver, for defend ants Ralph Dick, Daniel Billy, Elmer Dick, Stephen Assu, and James D. Wilson sued on their own behalf and on behalf of all other members of the Wewayakai Indian Band (also known as the Cape Mudge Indian Band).
The following are the reasons for order ren dered in English by
ADDY D.J.: Two pre-trial procedural motions have been brought before me. The-action turns on which of the two Indian Bands mentioned in the style of cause is entitled to possession and enjoy ment of a reserve known as Reserve No. 12 situat ed on the right bank of the Quinsam River.
The defendant members of the Cape Mudge Indian Band have applied to the Court pursuant to Rule 466.1(1) and (8) [Federal Court Rules, C.R.C., c. 663] for an order requiring the plaintiff Indian Band to provide answers to several ques tions in interrogatories addressed to them and which they have refused to answer and also for an order requiring more responsive answers to other questions. The plaintiff members of the Campbell River Band, on the other hand, by another motion, pursuant to Rule 419(1)(a),(c),(d), and (f) have applied for an order that paragraph 2 of the amended statement of defence be struck out on the grounds that it discloses no reasonable defence and that it is scandalous, frivolous and vexatious and may prejudice, embarrass or delay the fair trial of the action and, finally, that it otherwise constitutes an abuse of process.
Both motions were heard together. The defend ant Crown was not a party to either one nor was it represented at the hearing.
It would be more convenient to deal with the last-mentioned motion (i.e. that of the plaintiffs) as some of the findings will have a bearing on the other motion brought by the defendant Indian Band. Rule 419(1)(a),(c),(d) and (f) reads as follows:
Rule 419. (1) The Court may at any stage of an action order any pleading or anything in any pleading to be struck out, with or without leave to amend, on the ground that
(a) it discloses no reasonable cause of action or defence, as the case may be,
(c) it is scandalous, frivolous or vexatious,
(d) it may prejudice, embarrass or delay the fair trial of the action,
(/) it is otherwise an abuse of the process of the Court,
and may order the action to be stayed or dismissed or judgment to be entered accordingly.
Paragraph 2 of the statement of defence which the plaintiffs are requesting to be struck out reads as follows:
2. These Defendants deny the authority of the Plaintiffs Roy Anthony Roberts, C. Aubrey Roberts and John Henderson to represent all or any other members of the Wewaikum Indian Band, also known as the Campbell River Band (the "Wewai- kum Band"), including past, present and future members of that Band.
This pleading is in answer to paragraph 3 of the statement of claim which reads as follows:
3. The named Plaintiffs are suing on their own behalf and on behalf of all other members of the Plaintiff Band, including all past, present and future members.
Before dealing with the merits of the plaintiffs' motion, however, it is of some importance to note in paragraph 3 of their amended statement of claim that they purport to be suing not only on their own behalf but also on behalf of all past and future members of the Band.
It is trite law that neither a deceased nor an unborn person can as such sue or be sued. They do not exist. It is true that the Band as it is presently constituted depends both for its existence and for the rights to which it is presently entitled, upon the
fact that members now deceased did at one time constitute the Band and by their actions and their very existence, did ensure its continuity and the preservation of the rights and privileges presently enjoyed by its members. But this state of affairs now exists and cannot be changed by any action for or against the deceased members. It is equally true that future members will benefit from what ever rights and privileges presently exist or are acquired by the Band, but this will result solely from the future membership in the Band and not from the fact that any action is now being institut ed on behalf of them as individuals.
Counsel for the plaintiffs maintains that the Court must characterize the proceeding as a class action. Since an action can neither be instituted nor defended by any person who is not living, no such person can be made part of a class of plain tiffs. Paragraph 3 of the amended statement of claim must therefore be further amended by delet ing any reference to the fact that the action is instituted on behalf of past or future members of the plaintiff Band. The order will be made ex proprio motu by the Court, because the pleading as presently worded is fundamentally bad at law and should not be allowed to stand. The same remarks and the same order will apply to para graph 2 of the statement of defence whereby the defendants in effect purport to require the plain tiffs to establish that they are authorized to act on behalf of past and future members.
Several cases have referred to past and future members of an Indian band as parties in the style of cause. This practice for the same reason is quite improper. It apparently originated some time ago where a band claimed the right to so style its action as a plaintiff and the Crown as defendant having agreed, the Court, because of the consent, allowed the designation to stand. It is time that this erroneous practice be terminated.
Regarding the merits of the plaintiffs' motion, there is no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the allegations that the paragraph is either scandalous, frivolous or vexatious or that it may prejudice or
delay a fair trial or otherwise constitutes an abuse of process. The application in so far as it relates to paragraphs (c),(d) and (f) of Rule 419(1) must therefore fail.
In considering whether paragraph 2 of the state ment of defence constitutes a valid defence at law, it is obvious that no evidence is required and indeed no matter other than the text of the plead ing itself is to be considered when applying Rule 419(1)(a).
The plaintiffs argue that the Chief and Council members have, at law, the right to bring a class or representative action in the name of the members of the Band, that the question whether they have obtained authorization to do so and to prosecute the action is totally immaterial and irrelevant as it is an ordinary class action and as any member of the class who objects may request to be added as a party defendant. They therefore claim that para graph 2 of the statement of defence discloses no valid ground of defence and should be struck out.
It has indeed been consistently held by our courts that the Chief with members of Council may institute an action in the name of a Band, but the question regarding whether authorization to do so must exist has never been directly raised in any of the reported cases of which I am aware. On the other hand, the question whether a Band Chief and Council had proper authority to renounce any rights on behalf of the Band or to enter into an obligation binding upon it has often been put in issue and been regarded as very relevant.
In Martin v. B.C. (Govt.) (1986), 3 B.C.L.R. (2d) 60 (S.C.), McEachern C.J.S.C., as he then was, stated that the question was still open wheth er Indian bands were judicial persons capable of suing or being sued and therefore recommended in that case that the plaintiff members of Council and their Chief bring their action in a representa tive capacity.
It appears to me that the members of an Indian band as such and quite apart from any provisions of the. Indian Act [R.S.C., 1985, c. I-5], must necessarily enjoy a special legal status derived from their existence as a separate society and from common fundamental and special tribal customs, laws, privileges, rights and obligations, akin, to some extent at least, to the rights and privileges enjoyed by and to the obligations and duties incumbent upon the citizens of a state. Its mem bers are not merely individuals living in a close vicinity to each other, who might happen to enjoy a particular common interest in the favourable outcome of a court decision. Indian bands as such can themselves be sued and become the subject of a legal pronouncement. The case at bar well illus trates such a situation as the Campbell River Band, as plaintiff, is suing the Cape Mudge Band as well as Her Majesty the Queen. The plaintiff Band is claiming a right of occupancy and use of the Reserve not only as individual members but as a right to be enjoyed by the Band itself at present and in the future, to the exclusion of the defendant Band.
One need not possess any special knowledge or expertise nor be guided by any particular evidence to be fully aware of the fact that from the time of the first contacts between Indians and Europeans, the latter have recognized the rights of Indian social or racial organizations, be they bands, tribes or nations, to enter into treaties, contracts and obligations, acquire certain rights and renounce and abandon other previously enjoyed ones. Ele mentary Canadian history, as taught in third grade grammar school, mentions these facts. The Indians among themselves from time immemorial have also recognized these powers as existing in Band Chiefs and Councils and have acted accordingly.
Having regard to the very great probability of serious and fundamental constitutional upheavals and resulting changes occurring in Canada in the very near future and of conflicting claims between
the federal authorities, the various provinces and the several bands, tribes and nations of aboriginal peoples, many of whom will be advancing land claims and claims regarding some form of sover eignty or of limited or partial sovereignty or autonomy, it now becomes more important than ever for our courts to determine whether, altogeth er apart from any provisions of the Indian Act, traditional and well-established tribal organiza tions possess as such, the legal capacity to sue or be sued. To allow them only to claim by means of ordinary class actions, without the requirement of proper authorization of the band concerned, would create utter chaos and render claims which might be denied, subject to being revived and reasserted at a later date.
There seems to me to be no logical reason why Indian bands as such should not possess the same rights to sue as corporations for instance, and, similarly, to be subject to various resulting obliga tions. Although no general statutory enactment so provides, common sense seems to dictate it. I therefore find that they do possess a special status enabling them to institute, prosecute and defend a court action. It follows that those claiming to sue in the name of a band must be prepared to estab lish their authority to do so when and if that authority is challenged. Any such authorization of course need not be subject to any special rules, laws or procedures other than those prescribed by the traditions, customs and government of the particular band.
For the above reasons, paragraph 2 of the state ment of defence will stand and the motion will be dismissed.
Dealing now with the motion brought by the defendants to order certain questions put in an interrogatory to be answered and others to be more fully answered, counsel for the plaintiff Band argued that any questions pertaining to the occu pation by the plaintiff Band either before or after 1888 are irrelevant as the Band is now relying
entirely on a report known as the McKenna McBride Commission of 1912 and on Orders in Council of the province of British Columbia and of Canada to found their action.
A question was originally raised in the present case regarding the Federal Court's jurisdiction to try the matter. On appeal of that issue before the Federal Court of Appeal (see [1987] 2 F.C. 535], Hugessen J. with whom Urie J. concurred, held that the question as to whether aboriginal titles resided in either the plaintiff or the defendant was essential to the disposition of the case. When the appeal reached the Supreme Court of Canada (refer [1989] 1 S.C.R. 322) Wilson J., in deliver ing judgment on behalf of that Court, affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeal to the effect that the Federal Court Trial Division did have jurisdic tion but, more importantly, regarding the present issue, specifically stated that she did not disagree with Hugessen J.'s conclusions regarding aborigi nal rights but felt that the Indian Act, as well as aboriginal title, was relevant. Before the Supreme Court of Canada, counsel for the plaintiff Band also is reported as having conceded that aboriginal title would be relevant to the determination of the right of occupancy of the Reserve.
In Calder et al. v. Attorney-General of British Columbia, [1973] S.C.R. 313, the Supreme Court of Canada recognized aboriginal title as a legal right derived from the Indians' historic occupation and possession of their lands. Although aboriginal title pre-dated colonization by the British, the title can be continued either through the original nation or tribe or through a successor to the group which first occupied the lands and established aboriginal title.
Following the decision in the present case regarding jurisdiction, an amended statement of claim was filed. We find the following allegations of fact at paragraphs 9 and 12 of that document:
9. In 1888 and for many years before then the Indians at Campbell River were the ancestors of the present members of the Plaintiff Band.
12. Both before 1888, and continuing since then to the present time, the Plaintiff Band has occupied and enjoyed the use and benefit of Reserve No. 11 but, since 1888, the Defendant, Her Majesty the Queen, has wrongfully denied to them the occupa tion, use and benefit of Reserve No. 12 ....
In these circumstances, the plaintiff Band cannot be heard to object to interrogatories con cerning the extent of its occupation of the disputed Reserve both before and after 1888.
Counsel for the plaintiff Band also argued most forcibly that interrogatories are much more re strictive than oral examinations for discovery in the sense that certain areas of enquiry which might be open to a party questioning on an oral discovery are not subject to enquiry by that same party in a written interrogatory. In addition to the jurisprudence to which I shall refer, he relied in support of his argument, on Federal Court Rule 466.1(1) for interrogatories and on Rule 465(15) for oral discovery. It should be noted here that both these rules and other related rules concerning discovery and pre-trial procedures regarding the disclosure of evidence, have recently been substan tially amended by Amending Order No. 13. The term "interrogatories" has now been removed and replaced by the term "written examinations for discovery". However, new Rule 466.2 [as enacted by SOR/90-846, s. 16] referring to the transitional period provides that "[a]11 examinations for dis covery that are not yet concluded by December 7, 1990, shall be conducted in accordance with Rules 455 to 465.5 and Rule 466.1 as they read before that date". This transitional Rule clearly applies to the present case and my decision must therefore rest on Rules 466.1(1) and 465(15) as if the Amending Order had not been enacted. Wherever reference is hereinafter made in these reasons to those Rules the old Rule shall apply and any comments regarding interrogatories and oral dis-
coveries shall be considered in conformity with that situation. Rule 466.1(1)(a) read as follows:
Rule 466.1 (I) A party to any proceeding in the Court may apply to the Court for an order
(a) giving him leave to serve on any other party interrogator ries relating to any matter of fact in question between those two parties.....
Rule 465(15) provided that:
Rule 465... .
(15) Upon examination for discovery otherwise than under paragraph (5), the individual being questioned shall answer any question as to any fact within the knowledge or means of knowledge of the party being examined for discovery that may prove or tend to prove or disprove or tend to disprove any unadmitted allegation of fact in any pleading filed by the party being examined for discovery or the examining party.
The expression "to any matter of fact in ques tion between those two parties" is substantially as broad in my view as a reference to a fact "that may prove or tend to prove or disprove or tend to disprove any unadmitted allegation of fact in any pleading filed by the party being examined for discovery or the examining party". They are, in any event, sufficiently equivalent to convince me to reject the argument that, on the basis of the wording of the Rules as they existed before Amending Order No. 13, interrogatories had to be considered as more restrictive in scope than oral discoveries.
With regard to the general jurisprudence on that subject I have considered the several cases referred to by counsel. These include, among others, the old English case of Kennedy v. Dodson, [1895] 1 Ch. 334 (C.A.); British Columbia Light weight Aggregates Ltd. v. Canada Cement LaFarge Ltd. et al. (1977), 80 D.L.R. (3d) 365 (B.C.C.A.); Delgamuukw et al. v. The Queen, (not reported) Smithers Registry, No. 0843, August 5, 1987 (B.C.S.C); Oregon Jack Creek Indian Band v. Canadian National Railway Co. sub nom. Pasco et al. v. Canadian National Railway Co. et al. (1989), 56 D.L.R. (4th) 404 (B.C.C.A.); Uukw v. B.C. (Govt.) (1986), 7 B.C.L.R. (2d) 325 (S.C.).
With regard to actions in the Federal Court I cannot adopt the very narrow scope of interrogato-
ries laid down in the Kennedy case which was decided about one hundred years ago when discov eries were considerably much more limited and restricted, even though this case was referred to with approval in B.C. Lightweight Aggregates v. Canada Cement LaFarge, (supra) and other cases. I cannot adopt either the principle that although a question may be put to a witness on an oral examination for discovery the same question may not be permitted in a written interrogatory. I can find no practical nor logical reason why an inter rogatory should be more restrictive. The question er is already considerably handicapped and restricted for the simple reason that he does not enjoy the benefit of knowing what the answer will be to the previous questions before inserting subse quent questions in the interrogatory. By the same token a person answering an interrogatory has ample time and opportunity to carefully consider the question and to consult if necessary before answering. Furthermore, in oral discoveries, where the person being examined is not aware of or is not sure of the answer at the time, a general practice has developed for counsel to normally agree that the answer be reserved, to be subsequently answered in writing by the solicitor of the party after due enquiries have been made and the infor mation obtained.
It is obvious, on examining the reported deci sions of Canadian provincial courts that substan tial differences do exist between certain provinces regarding what should or should not be the subject-matter of discovery before trial, regarding the limits to be applied thereto and the methods in which discoveries are to be conducted. Some juris- dictions for instance permit cross-examination while others absolutely forbid it. As distinguished from general principles of substantive law the accepted rules in each jurisdiction regarding pre- trial procedures such as oral or written discoveries depend not only on the wording of the applicable rules but on practice locally developed and the courts' interpretation of that practice. This is an understandable result of the application of the
principle that from a practical standpoint the courts are generally regarded to a large extent as masters of their own procedure as opposed to any substantive rule of law which they must apply. In any event in recent years there has been a general extension of the rules of practice regarding pre-tri al discoveries. In Reading & Bates Construction Co. v. Baker Energy Resources Co., Baker Marine Co. and Gaz Inter -Cité Quebec Inc. (1988), 25 F.T.R. 226 (F.C.T.D.), McNair J. of this Court stated at page 229:
The purpose of discovery, whether oral or by production of documents, is to obtain admissions to facilitate proof of the matters in issue between the parties. The prevailing trend today favours broadening the avenues of fair and full disclosure to enable the party to advance his own case or to damage the case of his adversary. Discovery can serve to bring the issues more clearly into focus, thus avoiding unnecessary proof and addi tional costs at trial. Discovery can also provide a very useful tool for purposes of cross-examination.
This statement has been favourably quoted by other members of this Court.
Although it seems that in British Columbia several cases appear to opt for a much more restrictive attitude regarding the use of discovery, McEachern C.J.S.C. in Boxer v. Reesor (1983), 43 B.C.L.R. 352 (S.C.) did nevertheless state at page 359:
It seems to me that the clear right of the plaintiffs to have access to documents which may fairly lead them to a train of inquiry which may directly or indirectly advance their case or damage the defendant's case particularly on the crucial ques tion of one party's version of the agreement being more prob ably correct than the other, entitles the plaintiffs to succeed on some parts of this application.
This test of relevancy for the purpose of discov ery was specifically approved and applied by the Federal Court of Appeal in the Everest & Jen- nings Canadian Ltd. v. Invacare Corporation, [ 1984] 1 F.C. 856 (C.A.).
Counsel for the plaintiffs further argued that, as many of the questions were of an historical nature, they need not be answered on discovery and answers must only be furnished by an expert
through expert evidence filed and subsequently provided at trial in the usual manner in accordance with the rules.
His argument was again based on the Martin case, supra, and several other decisions which followed it. They state that history is not the proper subject for interrogatories or oral discover ies. I can agree with that statement only if the word "history" is taken as meaning opinion or historical conclusions drawn from detailed study or examination of past events. The past events them selves, however, in so far as they may constitute simple or basic facts, are fully discoverable as such. Any type of record or document or writing purporting to state a fact, as distinguished from the expression of broad conclusions or opinions, is not subject to exclusion from pre-trial discovery merely because the fact is historical in the sense that it originates beyond living memory. The same test applies to oral statements of fact originating beyond living memory and subsequently related to others. In the latter case of course, the vagaries of memory and a natural tendency to recall matters in a favourable light may normally greatly reduce the probative value of any such statement. Due to the tenuous circumstances surrounding it, the oral transmission might be such that the alleged state ment would not only be considered as of little weight but because of remoteness, be held to be inadmissible. This does not however mean that it would automatically be excluded from being the subject of an interrogatory on the sole grounds that it is an oral statement made beyond living memory. Besides offending against the general principle which I have mentioned, to do so would be particularly unfair to the Indian peoples. It is well known that for centuries after the European, Asiatic and Mid-Eastern peoples had been record ing in writing various events and occurrences, now forming part of their history, North American Indians and other aboriginal peoples were relying entirely on oral traditions and the custom of pass ing information from father to son and from gen eration to generation and of frequently incorporat ing the recording of important occurrences in various tribal customs and ceremonies. There may of course also be cases where what purports to be an oral statement of fact, was subsequently reduced to writing. The same rules should apply.
Many answers, of course, although admissible on discovery may not be held to be admissible at trial.
Although often referred to as an opinion, the mere expression of a simple self-evident conclu sion, which in the light of certain facts would necessarily be reached as a matter of course by any ordinary person, is clearly to be distinguished from an opinion resulting from an analysis of certain specified facts, which require special exper tise or knowledge, on the part of the person expressing it and is also to be distinguished from an involved or remote conclusion requiring special or detailed consideration or analysis of certain facts and with which every ordinary person would not necessarily agree. The first of the above three examples might well in certain cases properly form the subject-matter of a question on discovery or in an interrogatory while the other two would not. Conclusions from facts, which are not simple uncontestable every-day conclusions, are properly the subject-matter of argument and not of evi dence and very special rules govern expert evi dence. However, the basic facts on which any of these are founded are indeed fully subject to pre- trial discovery. No opinion evidence, no matter how learned the expert might be, is of any proba- tive value unless, in so far as the issue to be decided is concerned, it is supported by basic facts which are ultimately accepted as such by the Court.
The essence of what is being advanced by the plaintiff is that only an expert historian is legally capable of testifying as to facts which are beyond living memory. The historian is therefore to be considered as the sole fact finder as well as the person whose opinion is being sought. Presumably
the opinion can also be based on other facts pro viding they are also found by another historian. This is a strange theory indeed which can be explained only by a narrow and restrictive inter pretation of certain pronouncements of some Brit- ish Columbia jurists. This also leads to the unac ceptable conclusion that where a party's claim is based on aboriginal title or is based on matters which are beyond living memory, that party would only be subject to production of documents and would not be subject to and could not be examined for discovery on the very facts which are truly relevant to the claim, since the party will obviously not be an expert historian and answers to discovery are required to be given by a party and not by a complete stranger to the action.
For the above reasons, I cannot accept the bald assertion of counsel for the plaintiffs to the effect that where questions refer to historical facts, in the sense that they are beyond living memory, they can only be answered by experts and therefore cannot form the subject-matter of pre-trial discov ery questions whether put viva voce or by means of interrogatories.
As distinguished from an order granting the right of pre-trial examination of a witness, inter rogatories, as in the case of questions put in an oral discovery, are required to be answered by a party to the action and not by a stranger. Rule 466.1(1)(b) states:
Rule 466.1 (1) A party to any proceeding in the Court may apply to the Court for an order
(b) requiring that other party to answer the interrogatories on affidavit within such period as may be specified in the order. [Emphasis added.]
Similarly, Rule 466.1(5) states:
Rule 466.1 ... .
(5) An affidavit answering interrogatories as required under this Rule may, subject to paragraph (6), be made by an appropriate responsible officer of a corporation or the Crown or by a responsible person who has the management of the appropriate part of the party's affairs. [Emphasis added.]
The plaintiffs engaged the services of an histori an who obviously is not a member of the plaintiff Band nor a person exercising authority within it, to answer the interrogatories. The defendant Band has apparently not objected to that witness answering the interrogatories on behalf of the plaintiffs. This whole method of proceeding is quite improper: it is certainly in contravention of the Federal Court Rules regarding discovery pro cess and, to the best of my knowledge, contravenes the generally accepted practice adopted by common law courts for the examination of parties. The situation undoubtedly arose out of certain pronouncements of British Columbia courts regarding the principle that only an historian can testify as to what took place or what existed beyond living memory. I have already indicated my disagreement with that principle.
In the order rendered by Mr. Justice Cullen of this Court on September 24, 1990, authorizing both parties to proceed by way of written inter rogatories, there is no mention whatsoever that the general rule regarding the parties themselves to answer interrogatories was to be waived. On the contrary, the order states in part as follows: "The plaintiffs are required to respond to these inter rogatories ..." and further on that "the defendant Cape Mudge Indian Band is required to respond to these interrogatories ... ".
I do not intend to make any order regarding this matter as it was never mentioned at the hearing. I leave it to the parties by way of special application or otherwise to rectify this situation should they deem it advisable.
The plaintiffs are objecting to answering some forty-three questions contained in interrogatories produced by the defendants. Of this number, thirty-eight are either identical to those put by the plaintiffs in their own interrogatories or are slight ly different as to form but really equivalent as to substance.
In addition, the plaintiffs on September 19, 1990, following a similar application by the defendant Cape Mudge Indian Band on Septem- ber 7, 1990, applied for a court order requiring the defendant Band to answer these questions. This constitutes a very strange state of affairs and it is difficult to now accept arguments on behalf of the plaintiffs to the effect that the defendant Band's interrogatories are improper. A party should not, as counsel for the defendant Band has put it, be permitted "to blow hot and then cold". There exists jurisprudence to the effect that a party may be prevented from adopting a completely contra dictory position in the same action. See for instance Enquist v. Hass (1979), 15 B.C.L.R. 139 (S.C.). It is not my intention to fully apply this principle, although in a few instances, some of the questions in the interrogatories which would nor mally have been disallowed on the ground that they seek too much detail on matters beyond living memory, may nevertheless be asked because the same or very similar details were requested by the plaintiffs to be furnished by the defendant Band. I fully anticipate that understandably, in several cases, the plaintiffs will really not be able to furnish the details requested because of a lack of knowledge of same. In those instances, the defend ant Band will be entitled to be so informed.
In deciding whether a question can properly form part of the discovery process, the Court must at times consider such matters as the probable amount of time, effort, research, work and expen diture involved in attempting to arrive at an answer and weighing them against such matters as the amount of money or the importance of non- monetary issues involved in a litigation, the degree of relevancy, the probable importance, value or usefulness which the answer might have in deter mining the basic issues of the litigation. However, where a question is relevant and not otherwise objectionable, it is not sufficient for the party refusing to answer to merely state in argument that obtaining an answer would involve unwarrant ed, unjustifiable or exceptionally onerous difficul ties. Some evidence must be furnished or referred
to in order to explain the difficulties and, where applicable, to establish what reasonable though eventually unsuccessful efforts were made to obtain an answer.
Questions involving conclusions of law as well as opinion evidence are not properly the subject- matter of the party and party discovery process. Thus enquiries requiring the definition or sub stance of property rights and disputes and the legal issues pertaining to them are not to be answered where they involve in any way a question of law.
The issue of whether any particular question should be answered by the plaintiffs will be decid ed in the light of the above-mentioned principles, findings and comments. Many of the answers may well require, as is usually the case, the examina tion of documents. The plaintiffs, however, in such cases, will only be required to refer to documents or to other articles or objects containing inscrip tions or other information, which are within their possession or control.
Among the interrogatory questions to which objection was taken by the plaintiffs, they shall be obliged to answer the following; Q-1 to Q-3; Q-4(a) and (b) (to be answered in so far as Campbell River Band members are concerned); Q-5 (except for (d)); Q-6 to Q-8; Q-9 (a) and (b); Q-22 to Q-24; Q-28; Q-29 except for (d); Q-31; Q-32; Q-34 (except that plaintiffs not obliged to disclose evidence which they will be leading); Q-35; Q-36 (except for (e)); Q-46 to Q-49; Q-61 (except last sentence); Q-63 (a), (b), (c) and (e); Q-79 (first part only); Q-80 (except for (f)).
Plaintiffs will be required to give a more respon sive answer to question 38(b),(c),(d), and (e). Although they do not admit these actions by the defendant Band, the question asked is whether any of the plaintiff members ever protested against
them. This should be answered. The requests to answer further questions are denied.
Costs will be in the cause as between the two Indian Bands.
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